I had an amazing experience on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast yesterday.
What I love about Joe’s show is that he really provides an open, comfortable space to breathe, ponder and go deep. I appreciate his open-mindedness – a rare willingness to explore new ideas without judgment. He is a seriously cool cat & deep thinker and I really appreciate him having me on.
Tune in by watching the video version below (or audio now up on iTunes ) to hear us pontificate on a wide array of topics, from plant-based nutrition, athleticism, superfoods, endurance training, spirituality, our fear based society, vitamixing beets and even a little Henry David Thoreau thrown in for good measure. I hope you enjoy it.
If you’re not already a fan of the show, I highly suggest you subscribe on iTunes. he has some of the most fascinating guests you will ever hear, and an expansive format that allows you to really learn something new.
Thanks again to Joe and his Deathsquad compatriot Brian Redban for an awesome experience.
Off subject aside – I have been inundated with friend requests on my personal Facebook but have reached my 5K limit. So if you would like to follow me on Facebook (please do), take a second and “Like” my Fan Page HERE.
For new followers who are interested in greater detail about what I fuel myself with for my endurance training, check out my book Finding Ultra*, which has 55 pages pf appendix materials on the hows and whys of my PlantPower diet, as well as training tips. For specific recipes, check out our digital e-cookbook JAI SEED– a beautiful 77 page primer for the iPad set with a wide variety of very basic, easy to prepare and delicious dishes – download for just $9.99.
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You were great on the JRE Rich! I’m automatically a fan of someone who decides it’s more important to be happy in life doing what the love than to stay stuck in the machine… really enjoyed it.. hope you are back on again soon.
struggled with nutrient science on the podcast. u did not understand many aspects of what you ate and why. bummer. clearly you are commercialized and peddling your own goods now.
I’m a meat eater and don’t plan on ever giving that up under any circumstance.. but that show has really opened me up getting more nutrition from veggies.. I’m gonna start doing those veggie shakes and I hope to incorporate more into my diet progressively. I don’t dislike veggies at all, I’m honestly just ignorant on veggies heh.. the only ones I know are broccoli, cauliflower, green beans, peas and those are pretty much the only ones I eat regularly.
Awesome to hear you on the Joe Rogan Experience! Keep up the good work!
Loved your guest appearance on the JRE. There’s definitely something about a plant based diet that compliments endurance sports. I believe Scott Jurek is another vegan that dominates the ultra running scene.
And like you guys mentioned on the podcast, Nick Diaz is a high endurance athlete/mma fighter. Although not a vegan he is a vegetarian.
Anyways I’m now a fan and purchased your book. Keep up the good work!
Hi “gmail”:
Sorry you feel this way, but of course you are more than entitled to your opinion and I appreciate you taking the time to comment, even though I disagree – I feel strongly that I do have a pretty good grip on why I eat the way I do. To be clear, I wasn’t on the pod to convert or peddle, just to share my experience. Sticking to my personal journey, I have experienced great results eating the way I do, that’s all. It works for me, I stand behind it, even though I of course realize it may not be for everyone, which is fine by me.
Out of curiosity, interested in how you arrived at the conclusion that I was “peddling” my goods on the podcast? By way of background, I have a cordyceps athletic supp product (Jai Repair) that I chose to not even mention on the podcast because it conflicts / competes with Joe’s Onnit ShroomTech product and I felt it would be in poor taste to mention my product for that very reason. Not once did I mention my cookbook and did not even mention Finding Ultra until the very last minute of the pod after talking to Joe & Brian for three hours; even then my mention was almost an afterthought. Finally, I also refrained from mentioning, let alone promoting JaiLifestyle.com where I offer products.
That said, I do appreciate you taking the time to visit my site and comment. All comers, all opinions welcome.
As for products mentioned in Finding Ultra, I wrote a post on the subject entitled “Products & Prose” you might be interested in (or not): http://www.richroll.com/books/products-and-prose/
Peace,
Rich
Just listened to about half of the podcast with Joe Rogan. I follow a paleo lifestyle and I can respect others who don’t ie, vegan. However I feel that there are some studies used by vegans to support their lifestyle to be misleading. Typically there is a corralation equals causation aspect to a number of these studies when demonizing animal foods and thier effect on the human body. Typically, none of these studies isolate cofounding factors with the animal products being used. And the quality of the foods is usually suspect. One comment you made about The Inuit and heart disease. A hundred years ago before modern processed foods entered their diet I believe they had no heart disease on their traditional diet without the infuence of modern junk. The same can be said of many cultures that include heavy doses of animal meat, fat…etc. They were fine until the infuence of western culture and neolithic foods were introduced. I may not be the best one to defend this lifestyle as there are many who are better qualified like Robb Wolf, ( I think it was a mistake for him to poo poo kale smoothies though), who can go toe to toe about this study or that. I think we can all agree that removing all processed foods and trying to eat whole natural foods is the best way to go. I’m glad that your way of eating is working for you, but remember there are many studies and new ones comming along every day that refute the vegan ones.
I agree one hundred percent with the whole natural foods being the best way to go and the most important thing for you to do, but I disagree about the claim that there is not enuf evidence for the benifits of reducing the consumption of animal products. Look up the studies on methonine , this is a amino acid that is very high in animal products, and there is a good amount of evidence that eating too much (some is needed) raises insulin like growth factor, that as far as I know is the major indicator of cancer risk. There’s some other evidence it effects other things like heart disease ect.. Another reason to limit animal products is the saturated fat content, I’m not saying its as bad trans fats as its not in their league , but there is definite evidence it’s not good, as is the intake of cholesterol, we make Enough of that eny way. There is evidence however that saturated fat in the form of medium chain triglycerides, such as coconut oil behaves in a different way and is in fact very healthy. Robb wolf seems like a cool guy but I think he’s of the mark, by a lot, telling people that bacons and eggs is a better breakfast than a smoothies of fresh veggies is ridiculas, and the low carb stuff is silly too, yea I can understand the dislike of grains many, but other than gluten containing grains I don’t think they are that bad. People’s health has been great during the years of agriculture, remember that it stretches back the whole way of human recorded history and much further, the major flaw in the paleo diet is that the palaeolithic period was so hugely long that no-one even top scientists have a clue what we really ate. If you go by other great apes we know that gorillas are completely vegan with the odd insect, and chimps have less than 3percent of their diet from meat and both eat largely fruit. Knot ice the lack of scientists and primatologist , evolutionary biologist ect promoting the paleo diet. I’m not saying cutting out all animal products is the way to go, I just think guys like robb wolf who make money telling people good things about bad habits are irresponsible.
I just finished and enjoyed reading Finding Ultra. I read Christopher Mcdougall’s Born to Run recently as well. I like and agree with virtually everything you’re saying Rich, but there’s one caveat: we were born to run to procure meat. In his book Born to Run, which I’m sure you read, Mcdougall promotes the idea that we developed the ability to run in order to persistent game hunt. That is, run six or more miles to tire out an animal until it collapses from exhaustion–then eat it!
He cites differences in physiology between humans and four-legged running animals such as dogs and horses versus walking mammals like chimps and pigs (which do not have Achilles tendons and nuchal ligaments necessary for running). He also says that we lost our fur/hair, developed a 2:1 in lieu of a 1:1 breathing ratio (which four legged animals have), and developed the ability to sweat unlike other animals in order to keep from overheating when we endeavor to outdistance game.
If the scientists McDougall reference are right, why would we anatomically evolve
these features only to give meat up now? We also have a long history of eating meat even if we don’t have protruding canines. In fact, hominids developed the ability to cook meat with fire before humans evolved 200 thousand years ago (as campfires have been unearthed from over a million years ago).
Personally, I think we are omnivores to the core, but we’re also a hodgepodge of different human ancestors; some eating more meat than others. For example, scientists now believe that roughly 1-4% of our DNA comes from Neanderthals which were almost exclusively meat eaters. There is also evidence of cultures that almost exclusively ate a vegetarian diet. Just like our wisdom teeth often don’t fit in our mouths anymore because small-jawed people mated with large-toothed partners as migration brought different cultures together; I think the meat-to-veggie ratio is likely different from person to person.
With that said, the ability to run far must have evolved because we were eating
plenty of meat. It obviously wasn’t to outpace four-legged carnivores to save our own skins (we obviously can’t). Rich, I think you have benefited from a vegan diet because your body needed to heal itself after eating too large of a meat-to-veggie ratio all your life which, like you explained in your book, causes a lot of problems anatomically.
Once a person has purged the negative affects of eating cheeseburgers with very little
plant matter all their lives, I believe it’s healthy to engage in meat at least
on occasion. It’s like smoking, however. You can’t smoke all your life, quit, and expect your lungs to be fully recovered after six months. Sometimes it takes years or decades to reverse the damage. The same may be true after eating a crappy diet most of your life.
What I wish everyone would do is get back to nature. Resources permitting, our diets would vastly consist of plant matter; however, we would also hunt game ourselves to procure healthy meat. Meat coming from animals that haven’t been penned or drugged up all their lives; animals that are lean and happy doing what animals do in the wild (which includes being killed periodically by animals further up the food chain).
Rich, now that you have likely detoxified your system thoroughly, maybe you should try, AS AN EXPERIMENT, eating some venison and see how your body reacts. Thomas Jefferson’s daughter said the sage of Monticello used to “garnish” his vegetables with meat; meaning, he had a very high plant-to-meat ratio in his diet. Maybe just have venison once every week or ten days and see how it feels while otherwise eating a strictly vegan diet the rest of the time. Maybe that would give us a major breakthrough in our understanding of diet.
Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the book. I especially respect your battle with alcoholism. I was born into a family of alcoholics who are now in recovery. You’re an incredible inspiration, and I particularly like the fact that you don’t appear to be shamelessly promoting products despite what one poster said.