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Malcolm Gladwell & Chris Chavez Think We’re Selling Running All Wrong

By July 23, 2026No Comments
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Episode #1002

MALCOLM GLADWELL & CHRIS CHAVEZ

THE ART OF THE INTERVIEW, RUNNING CULTURE, AND WHAT CREATES EXCELLENCE

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If running is your thing, this one’s for you.

If you’re not, don’t bail. What starts as three guys geeking out about running becomes a conversation about how we decide who’s good at anything, how often we’re wrong, and what it costs the people we write off.

Here to help me sort it out are Malcolm Gladwell and Chris Chavez.

Most of you know Malcolm. A New Yorker staff writer since 1996, the lord of all things overlooked and misunderstood, host of Revisionist History, co-founder of Pushkin Industries, and back for his second time on the show (ep. 692). A journalist, Chris founded CITIUS MAG in 2016 while writing for Sports Illustrated, and hosts its podcast.

We let it run unfettered. No notes, no plan, no idea where it was headed. Which Malcolm would tell you is the only honest way to do this. He’s built a whole philosophy on it. The best moment in any conversation is the one nobody saw coming.

Among the topics:

  • The Art of the Interview & Why Over-Preparation Stifles It
  • Data Transparency & Running’s Self-Defeating Culture of Secrecy
  • Elite Marathoners, the Ultra Pivot & What Translates
  • Perennials, Late Bloomers & the Rise of the Masters Athlete
  • The Teenage Phenoms Rewriting the Record Books
  • Scale vs. Exploitation & Why America Keeps Getting It Wrong
  • The Relative Age Effect, Sorting & the Kids We Lose at Twelve
  • Body of Work Vs. Peak Performance & Who We Wrongly Crown

For those who prefer a visual experience, the conversation is available on YouTube. As always, the audio version streams wild and free on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Peace + Plants,

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